[Marxism] Awesome Proletarian Positions

Mark Lause markalause at gmail.com
Sat Apr 6 11:51:24 MDT 2013

The question isn't cutting off debate but pretending to hash over something
that's been worked over quite enough.

Nor is it a matter of whether or not one's placement in the process of
production--productions of all sorts--might predispose us to different
social perspectives but whether or not it does and why it might not.

And, more, whether or not such a predisposition has any particular meaning
in the context of evaluating what might be the best approach to a
particular problem.


On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 1:30 PM, <turbulo at aol.com> wrote:

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> Louis Proyect wrote:
> It is a waste of time for me to argue with someone who spent a decade or
> so in the Spartacist League and the International Bolshevik Tendency. I
> congratulate you that you are no longer a member but I am afraid that
> your take on the Cannon-Shachtman fight is straight out of the
> Spartacist League canon.
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> To recapitulate: Louis objects to the sectarian practice of hurling
> the epithet, "petty bourgeois" as a way of stigmatizing people and cutting
> off
> debate. He cites the Burnham-Shachtman fight of 1940 in the SWP as
> a prime example of this technique, and, to support his claim, supplies a
> capsule
> history of the dispute. I challenge Louis's claim that the 1940 fight was
> a precedent
> on fairly narrow factual grounds, citing certain inaccuracies in his
> retelling.
> Louis responds that he simply can't argue with me because I am a former
> Spartacist and former member of the International Bolshevik Tendency.
> I leave it to readers of this newsgroup to determine who is calling names
> in order to stigmatize people and cut off debate.
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