[Marxism] No such thing as a bourgeois revolution?

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Mon Apr 29 19:45:37 MDT 2013


On Apr 29, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:
>  "Of course Mustafa Kemal led a bourgeois revolution even though  
> there was no bourgeoisie. His goal was to create one."
>
> Theoretically this connects to another important question, namely  
> how to describe the Chinese revolution in which the proletariat was  
> even less of a factor than the bourgeoisie was in Turkey. But you  
> can pretty much say the same thing. "Mao Zedong led a proletarian  
> revolution in China even though there was no proletariat to speak  
> of. His goal was to create a proletariat."

Exactly. Lacking a bourgeoisie, Ataturk can be said to have carried  
out a bourgeois revolution because he created a capitalist state ruled  
by capitalists. Likewise Mao, lacking a proletariat, can be said to  
have carried out a proletarian revolution because he created a  
capitalist state ruled by Communists(tm).




Shane Mage

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that self-interest or ideology have kept everybody from paying  
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