[Marxism] The Hunger Games and radical politics
acpollack2 at gmail.com
Sat Dec 28 15:51:23 MST 2013
I haven't seen the movies and probably won't. I read the books a couple
years ago, loved them, and don't remember any homophobic aspects. Am I
I also don't remember anything about consensus around individual success.
I do remember thinking, OK we're plopped in the middle of a class-divided
society, with almost no explanation of how we got there, but on that basis
we know who to root for, both in the games and in succeeding larger events.
(As I type this I have a feeling of deja vu as if we already had this
discussion, perhaps when the first film came out.)
So Louis's criticisms of the movies -- and those of the two authors
focusing on homophobia -- stand unchallenged. But for those who've read the
books, do I remember correctly?
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> wrote:
> Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
> On 12/28/13 5:03 PM, Ralph Johansen wrote:
>> outstanding. guess I'll go now.
> My guess is that you didn't read my article, only the lead in that was
> posted to the list.
> You question the appropriateness of the Glick support for Ted Cobb. Let me
> flesh this out for you in terms of what I wrote further down in my article:
> There’s another reason that an audience seeing “Catching Fire” would make
> few connections with American society today. Despite the moral turpitude of
> its rulers and the ruling class it represents, it is a parliamentary
> democracy resting on a consensus around the belief that success is a
> function of your own talents and nothing else. When you lose a job, you can
> get pissed off at the system but you see yourself more as a victim of
> circumstance rather than a member of a social class in specific kind of
> relationship to another social class that has interests opposed to your
> own. Ironically, most Americans are okay with survivor of the fittest, as
> long as you don’t have someone like President Snow forcing villages to turn
> over a couple of kids each year as if it was for an Aztec type human
> sacrifice ritual.
> Bourgeois democracy is a perfect instrument for class rule. That is why I
> always scratch my head over those who see fascism around the corner when
> someone like Richard Nixon is in the White House. Why would you use the
> iron fist to rule the workers when their open consent guarantees systemic
> The point is that Glick opposed Nader because he and his fellow Demogreens
> were afraid that he would siphon votes away from Kerry. Kerry was seen as a
> lesser evil to George W. Bush who represented a fascist threat--a version
> of President Snow in "Hunger Games". In other words, Glick was pushing the
> moldy old CPUSA line. That, of course, why he would find "Hunger Games"
> valuable. It is a model of American society that supposedly has some
> bearing on current realities.
> It is this way of thinking that has marginalized the left.
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