[Marxism] Erratum Re: Did Cuba end up 'towing the moscow line'?

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Sun Feb 10 20:04:00 MST 2013


On Feb 10, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Shane Mage wrote:
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> On Feb 10, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Joaquín Bustelo wrote:
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>> On 2/9/2013 10:05 PM, John Wesley wrote:
>>> Why do all these accounts overlook the fact that the Soviets,  
>>> tired of all the Guevarist revolutionary romanticism, by 1968 gave  
>>> Fidel the choice of either towing the Moscow line, or be left to  
>>> the mercies of the US ?
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>> These accounts "overlook it" because it simply wasn't so.  See, for  
>> example what Fidel says about 40 seconds into this clip from  
>> episode 18 of the CNN documentary series "Cold War." It is about  
>> Cuba and the Soviets in relation to Nicaragua and the civil wars in  
>> Central America in the 1980s.
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>> http://youtu.be/lct7SkpYfKA
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>> Referring to U.S. accusations that the was a Cuban-Soviet plot to  
>> take over all of Central; America, Fidel responded:
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>> "Look, if a Soviet-Cuban master plan actually existed we would have  
>> won the Cold War. (Laughs) If there had been a master plan. But  
>> unfortunately there was no such plan, quite the opposite. Cuba's  
>> actions conflicted with Soviet interests at that time."
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>> Nor was that something new.
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>> Five years ago on this list I documented another such divergence  
>> between Cuba and the Soviets -- the decision to send troops to  
>> Angola in 1975 to prevent a takeover of the country by  CIA- and  
>> South Africa-backed Angolan groups on the eve of the country's  
>> formal independence.
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>> http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2008w08/msg00117.html
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>> Here are a couple of excerpts.
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>> Interview: Fidel Castro, president, Cuba:
>> "The Soviets knew absolutely nothing about it. We took the decision  
>> because
>> of our long-standing relations over many years with Neto, and with  
>> the
>> independence movement in Angola."
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>> "It was a question of globalizing our struggle, vis-à-vis the  
>> globalized
>> pressures and harassment of the U.S. In this respect he did not  
>> coincide
>> with the Soviet viewpoint. We acted ... but without their  
>> cooperation. Quite
>> the opposite! There were criticisms. So?"
>>
>> Interview: Karen Brutents, Communist Party Central Committee:
>> "In Moscow this was greeted without enthusiasm. It was only when  
>> the Cubans
>> had landed that we got involved. Because the Cubans kept asking us  
>> for help.
>> They wanted weapons; they wanted food supplies. Once we started  
>> sending
>> things to Angola, we were soon in over our heads -- even though it  
>> wasn't in
>> our plans to go there."...
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> Fidel is being a tad...disingenuous here. The Angolan intervention  
> (which, to the extent that it was intended to keep Angola out of the  
> hands of US imperialism, was not exactly a roaring success) was in  
> fact accompanied by intervention in then-USSR-sponsored Ethiopia to  
> suppress a Somali national movement in the Ogaden and free Ethiopian  
> troops to suppress a national movement in Ethiopia!! WHOOPS.  
> ERITREA. (again, not exactly a revolutionary success, at least  
> judging from the present state of those three countries).
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>
>> ...Trying to help revolutionary movements in Latin America and the  
>> Third World has been and remains, the North Star of Cuban foreign  
>> policy since 1959.
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> The first test of that came soon after,  When the Nigerian comprador  
> state, backed by the USSR and the AngloSaxons, used the genocidal  
> strategy of starvation to suppress the third-world revolutionary  
> movement of the Biafrans, I don't recall Cuban foreign policy doing  
> anything to help them, even in words.  Did they?
>
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> Shane Mage
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> "Thunderbolt steers all things." Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64
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