[Marxism] hackerspaces and socialism

Andrew Pollack acpollack2 at gmail.com
Thu May 2 08:27:04 MDT 2013


You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying the existing clubs or
networks have ANY revolutionary potential. Rather, I'm saying they're
another example of the objective, technical possibilities. That's all.

Just as I would never say McDonald's or any other massive, commodified food
chain represents anything other than the objective, technical possibility
of collective food production and consumption -- under a different state,
and with a vastly different menu!


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Jeffrey Masko <j.alan.masko at gmail.com>wrote:

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> I see a connection between this and hacker competitions like Pwn2Own that
> are trying to move hacking away from something that challenges state and
> industrial control into a way of bringing more rebellious hackers into the
> fold. Seems about as revolutionary as dot.com start ups making work-spaces
> "fun" and "livable" by having open floor plans, nerf basketball and smoking
> week at your workstation.
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> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Andrew Pollack <acpollack2 at gmail.com>
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> > In the Times today there's an article entitled "One Big Workbench" about
> > hackerspaces where people come together to share space and resources for
> > hobbies -- in this case mostly mechanical and electronic, but the concept
> > of hackerspace is much broader. I was unfamiliar with the term; its Wiki
> > entry links to commons-based peer production.
> >
> > All of which relates to previous discussions here about possible
> > alternative work/leisure models (and for overcoming the separation
> between
> > the spheres -- including first and foremost for childcare, cooking,
> > healthcare and education, etc.).
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> > Needless to say making such alternative spaces available to all, much
> less
> > building a society in which they play a significant role in our everyday
> > lives, won't happen through glorifying them as "prefigurative"
> > institutions, but will rather depend on first destroying the old society
> > and its state from root to branch.
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> > See, on both alternative lifestyles and a thoroughgoing revolution making
> > them possible, William Morris's "News from Nowhere."
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/02/garden/the-rise-of-the-hacker-space.html?_r=0
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> > commons-based peer production
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