[Marxism] Bolivia: A break in the biggest workers’ action of the last twenty years

Segis Mundo msegis11 at gmail.com
Fri May 31 11:28:14 MDT 2013


"If Russia's future was so problematic, who in their right mind expects
"socialism" to be built in a country with 10 million people and a GDP (24
billion dollars) less than half of Facebook's stock valuation (58 billion)?"

I don’t know, you should ask your 3rd wordlist friends… but really I’m not
here out to convince you Proyect (hah, the thought makes me chuckle), I’ve
had my fair share of useless attempts at engaging with the self-touted
“anti-sectarian” commentators in the anglo left.

The question is not whether socialism is around the corner, which certainly
it isn’t, but what is the kind of working class (or if you prefer, working
peoples’) political action necessitated by the circumstances in these
“3rdworld” nations which are determined by the accumulation of capital
globally. Is it to tail the leaders who self-proclaim themselves as
liberators (whether in good will or not), but which must objectively
represent the backward “rentier models” tried countless times already? Or
is it to actually get rid of the rentiers altogether (which of course
doesn’t imply socialism of the 21st, 22nd, etc. century)?

But like I said, I got no interest in trying to engage self-hating ex-trots
who think the solution is a Maoist ideal to create a revolutionary
bourgeoisie out of nowhere; and who’d omit the concrete reality in these
countries just so they can plug their tired abstract “anti-sectarianism”
all the way from the US. Anyway, I’m sure you know better than the Bolivian
miners who are of course a bunch of sectarian CIA infiltrated goons.


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> wrote:

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> On 5/31/13 12:33 PM, Segis Mundo wrote:
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>> I am not a Trostkyist, contrary to the straw man which the moderator
>> implied in a previous post and I don’t wholly agree with the analysis, but
>> I think these events are a telling balance sheet on the project of, as
>> Garcia Linera puts it himself, Andean developmentalist capitalism, but
>> which quasi-Trot and 3rd wordlist commentators will proclaim ‘Socialism!’
>> of the 21st century.
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> I actually doubt that socialism can arise out of a deeply impoverished and
> militarily vulnerable country like Bolivia or even Venezuela. When I hear
> sectarians bandy about the term, I really wonder if they have ever read
> Trotsky.
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> "But how far can the socialist policy of the working class be applied in
> the economic conditions of Russia? We can say one thing with
> certainty--that it will come up against obstacles much sooner than it will
> stumble over the technical backwardness of the country. Without the direct
> State support of the European proletariat the working class of Russia
> cannot remain in power and convert its temporary domination into a lasting
> socialistic dictatorship."
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> If Russia's future was so problematic, who in their right mind expects
> "socialism" to be built in a country with 10 million people and a GDP (24
> billion dollars) less than half of Facebook's stock valuation (58 billion)?
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