[Marxism] Argentina: Mid-term elections signal shift in political mood | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal

Leozino Listas leozino.listas at gmail.com
Sat Nov 9 22:44:34 MST 2013


"On a more fundamental note, there is no more reason that there should be 3
different groups each with their own "Fourth International" in Argentina "

I agree with you. There is no reason why all 3 groups in Argentina  and why
not many more around the world, could not join together in a movement for
an international of the socialist revolution. This would be
an enormous contribution for the cause of working class emancipation.

"He picked up a copy of Alexander's "Trotskyism in Latin America" and
thumbed through the pages with a frown on his face. All these different
groups, he said, lost to posterity. Tch-tch. You could turn to any page and
see the same alphabet soup of names: the Workers Party, the Revolutionary
Socialist League, the Communist Alliance, the Proletarian Voice. Each one
numbering no more than a hundred members and each one with its own Fourth
International. I could have told Scott that this was in their destiny. They
were following a path that condemned them to obscurity."

Well too bad you don't mention the Alexander's "Trotskyism in Bolivia" (1)
, -- In this article he adds another name to the alphabet soup. Actually
only three letters P. O. R. It matters because the P.O.R based on the
transitional program and the theory of the permanent revolution wrote the
"thesis of pulacayo".Happens that once adopted by the miners federation as
their political program it propelled them to lead the miners,
workers, peasant  indigenous revolution against the multinational mining
companies .The 1952 Bolivian revolution that inspired the whole continent
and the more famous Cuban revolution of che guevara (3). That program,
path,  didn't condemned to obscurity but rather revolution.

"I say good luck to you in Argentina whatever it is you are up to. I
created this mailing list as an alternative to this madness and as you
probably can figure out most of its 1500 subscribers came here for the same
reason."

Coincidentally the FIT presents a political anti-capitalist alternative to
all this capitalist madness, and from the 1.3 million votes they received
in the past elections, the fact that they are the only important grass root
opposition to the union bureaucracy in practically every sphere of the
economy, auto, food, teachers (winning 11 of the 17 national teacher
organizations), that they lead many of the big factories of the country
(kraft, pepsico-snacks, coca-cola) and also key sectors like subway of
buenos aires, one can figure the working class of argentina is taking great
leaps forwards in the reconstruction of their class consciousness that
was truly "condemned to obscurity" by the fascist coup lead by the CIA in
order to end the working class rebellion.



1 -
http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/alex/works/in_trot/bolivia.htm

2 -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis_of_Pulacayo

3- http://www.ceipleontrotsky.org/Bolivia-apuntes-historicos-154


On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> wrote:

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> On 11/9/13 9:38 PM, Leozino Listas wrote:
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>> The FIT is not something that happened during this elections and surprised
>> everyone in the left. It is the culmination of important advances made by
>> the left in working class in the past 10 years. The future is undecided,
>> whether it will implode or not is yet unknown. Trotskyist in argentina
>> have
>> more than simple illusions, they have a strategy.
>>
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>
> The more interesting question is why there are three Trotskyist groups in
> the FIT. I beg your pudding for not knowing that the Workers Party was not
> Morenoite--it is hard to keep track without a scorecard.
>
> On a more fundamental note, there is no more reason that there should be 3
> different groups each with their own "Fourth International" in Argentina as
> there is for the Taaffe and Woods group to be running their own franchises
> in Britain in competition with each other. Burger King versus McDonalds...
>
> About 15 years ago I spent a weekend at Scott McLemee's place in
> Washington. At the time, we were good friends at the time. We drove to the
> Smithsonian where his wife worked and went to the reserved books section
> that he liked to haunt, this time to refer me to the tomes of Robert
> Alexander that I was familiar with from my peregrinations through the
> Columbia library.
>
> He picked up a copy of Alexander's "Trotskyism in Latin America" and
> thumbed through the pages with a frown on his face. All these different
> groups, he said, lost to posterity. Tch-tch. You could turn to any page and
> see the same alphabet soup of names: the Workers Party, the Revolutionary
> Socialist League, the Communist Alliance, the Proletarian Voice. Each one
> numbering no more than a hundred members and each one with its own Fourth
> International. I could have told Scott that this was in their destiny. They
> were following a path that condemned them to obscurity.
>
> On October 31 Juan Gallardo announced to the list the great news. A
> coalition of 3 Trotskyist groups had gotten a big vote. He linked to
> wikipedia articles on the participants. If you go to the one for the
> Workers Party, you will discover that it a section of The Coordinating
> Committee for the Refoundation of the Fourth International. I take one look
> at the name of this "genuine" FI and my hair began to hurt.
>
> The American section is called Refoundation and Revolution, which seems to
> be doing entry work in Solidarity. Wikipedia is not clear on this. The
> group emerged out of something called the Trotskyist League that was a
> "splinter of the Revolutionary Workers League", and the US section of the
> International Trotskyist Opposition.
>
> I say good luck to you in Argentina whatever it is you are up to. I
> created this mailing list as an alternative to this madness and as you
> probably can figure out most of its 1500 subscribers came here for the same
> reason.
>
>
>
>
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