[Marxism] My dare to Ray McGovern & VIPS on Syria CW attack

Clay Claiborne clayclai at gmail.com
Sat Sep 7 13:34:52 MDT 2013


      My dare to Ray McGovern & VIPS on Syria CW attack
      <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2013/09/my-dare-to-ray-mcgovern-vips-on-syria.html>

> Ray McGovern, yesterday you presented a memo on your blog
> <http://warisacrime.org/content/whos-lying-brennan-obama-or-both> from
> *Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)* asking "*Is
> Syria a Trap?*"
>
> In it you absolve the Assad Regime of responsibility for the chemical
> weapons attacks that took place in the Damascus area on 21 August
> without ever referencing the vast amount of carnage caused by
> aircraft, Scud missiles and heavy artillery that the Assad regime is
> solely responsible for.
>
> That alone, makes your chemical weapons memo a depraved defense of a
> mass murderer!
>
> Instead, you blame this CW attack, which killed over a thousand in
> opposition communities, on /"senior opposition military commanders and
> Qatari, Turkish and U.S. intelligence officials"/
>
> According to VIPS:
>
>     At operations coordinating meetings at Antakya, attended by senior
>     Turkish, Qatari and U.S. intelligence officials as well as senior
>     commanders of the Syrian opposition, the Syrians were told that
>     the bombing would start in a few days. Opposition leaders were
>     ordered to prepare their forces quickly to exploit the U.S.
>     bombing, march into Damascus, and remove the Bashar al-Assad
>     government
>
> That is a pretty vast conspiracy, involving spies from three countries
> and rebel commanders. Hard to believe, actually.
>
> So why were the Saudis left out? Is that where the MintPress story
> <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2013/09/who-used-sarin-in-syria.html>
> comes in? The Saudis were so peeved at being left out of the main
> sarin gas conspiracy that Prince Bandar gave some of his sarin gas to
> the incompetents in the tunnel. It all makes so much sense now!
>
> Not!
>
> The main complaint, and it is a good one, with the US, British and
> French intelligence reports that say the Assad regime did the dirty
> deed, is that we don't have access to the raw intel data to see for
> ourselves.
>
> So what are VIPS sources? They cite /"some of our former co-workers"/
> which would be the juicy stuff only they would have, and /"a growing
> body of evidence from numerous sources in the Middle East --- mostly
> affiliated with the Syrian opposition and its supporters"/ what the
> intel business calls /"open source,"/ stuff that we all have access to.
>
> From the closed source stuff they don't really give us any facts we
> can check. For example, they give us almost no information about this
> series of planning meetings they say took place in Antakya, Turkey
> 13-14 August 2013. They don't name any names. [guess it won't be
> publish in counterpunch <http://www.counterpunch.org/>] Now what could
> be the harm in that?
>
> So my challenge to Ray McGovern & VIPS is to, at a minimum, name /"the
> senior opposition military commanders"/ who were present at these
> meetings. If VIPS believes they were involved in a plot that took over
> a thousand lives, surely they aren't interested in protecting their
> identities.
>
> So call them out publicly. Let us judge how senior they are and know
> who is collaborating with these western spies. Once you have named
> them, we will be able find out why they were in Antakya and asked them
> to respond to these charges.
>
> Without the names from you, we have only your word, and I'm sorry, but
> that just isn't enough anymore.
>
> Click here for a list of my other blogs on Syria
> <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2012/12/my-syria-diaries_1014.html>
>




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