[Marxism] German TV. 10.4.14. Who were the Maidan snipers? Ukraine.

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Wed Apr 23 09:45:16 MDT 2014

On Apr 23, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Louis Proyect wrote:
> ...a fight against national oppression...Greg's time would be better  
> served by trying to understand Ukraine in class terms...

To describe a historical event in terms of "national oppression" is  
precisely to *refuse* to understand it in class terms.  In the history  
of the ukraine that "fight against national oppression" trope is of  
absolutely equal validity as a description of Bandera, of Petliura, of  
Khmelnitski, as of the present Kiev regime. The State of Israel  
presents everything it does--with total sincerity--as a fight against  
the millenias-long national oppression of the Jewish people (which is  
what lies behind the refusal of Netanyahu to line up with his usual  
obedience behind the US's anti-Russia campaign). It is a good example  
of the gross deviation that Rosa Luxemberg recognized in Lenin's  
approach to the "national question," a deviation that ultimately  
turned the Bolshevik Leninists of the "Fourth International" into  
apologists for murderous dictatorial "nationalist" regimes like that  
of the FLN in Algeria and today provides its disputing fragments with  
justification for alliance with all sorts of antagonistic nationalist  
(and even religious) scum like the ruling gangs in todays Moscow and  

Shane Mage

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