[Marxism] "For members only" ISO documents now available: when will they ever learn?
jbustelo at gmail.com
Fri Feb 14 18:42:03 MST 2014
On your second point, the right of the individuals to know before s/he
speaks who is listening, at least in certain contexts, that is, I
believe, a real right. That is why I think it is well-nigh CRIMINAL for
the ISO leadership to be blowing smoke up their members' asses about how
these are members-only bulletins when they are sending them out
unencrypted via email and websites in plaintext.
The ISO *SHOULD* be telling members that although they are taking
measures to keep these bulletins from comrades in other socialist
groups, everyone should assume that the patriarchal, white-supremacist,
capitalist and imperialist enemy's police state in North America does
have the documents, since the measures that have been adopted are
completely ineffective if what you mean by "privacy" AND "security"
approximates more the dictionary meaning of those terms as opposed to "a
fake and a fraud" or "sick joke". And given that the ISO's security
measures fall into the "fraud/joke" category, those intending to post
may want to adopt some precautions.
As to your first question, about the union about to start a Flint
sit-down strike (80 years ago!!!), I would NOT demand either of the
alternatives you say are available, but rather a union able to tell the
difference between a sit-down strike and bullshitting about newspaper
sales and "socialist" day schools in a discussion bulletin.
On 2/14/2014 7:30 PM, Andrew Pollack wrote:
> Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
> I'm still not convinced that comrades are distinguishing the two issues: a)
> the security and political reasons for having private discussions, on which
> there can be many opinions (and which can vary by circumstance -- would you
> demand a union going on strike allow all its plans to be visible to the
> boss (think Flint sitdown ruse)?) and b) the right of any individual to
> know before she speaks who will and will not hear her words.
> So let me make the distinction for you: anyone on this thread who says
> there is no such right under clause b) above, everything you ever say to
> anyone at any time from here on out is fair game to be broadcast to the
> whole world from this point on. So do NOT share with me off the record
> anything personal.
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