[Marxism] WWP liquidates national question in Ukraine

Andrew Pollack acpollack2 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 08:08:05 MST 2014

Thanks, Jay. Loved your comments on the WWP article.

Note in particular these quotes from it:

"They [right-wingers] chose bondage to Western finance capital rather than
emergency assistance from Russia...

"... in the struggle between Russian capital and Western imperialism, the
worst outcome is for Washington, Wall Street and the Pentagon to extend
their reach to the borders of Russia and gain domination over the former
Soviet republics. U.S. imperialism is a far more dangerous enemy to the
people of the world than Russia. Their victory in Ukraine would strengthen
their empire and give them more resources to oppress and exploit workers in
the U.S."

Now forgive me if I'm forgetting something, but when did Lenin ever say
Germany was a lesser evil than the Tsar? WWP's position has nothing in
common with Lenin's, who, while saying the main enemy is at home, NEVER
stopped praising Liebknecht and calling on German workers to overthrow
their government.

WWP's obscenities make me value even more the Balkans article forwarded
earlier this morning.

Below again my post from yesterday re WWP's upcoming rally, the basis of
which is the analysis in Goldstein's article.

PS: Now here's a must-NOT attend: the tankies' Venezuela/Ukraine

See also their new article on Bosnia, a monument to lying hypocrisy: the
justified praise for workers' self-activity there is totally negated by
their continued support for the genocidal Stalinist Milosevic regime which
helped imperialism blow the country to smithereens and re-privatize

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:52 AM, jay rothermel <jayrothermel at gmail.com>wrote:

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> http://www.workers.org/articles/2014/02/26/ukraine-venezuela-u-s-wages-dirty-wars/
> WWP lays it on the line: 300 years of Russian oppression of the Ukraine is
> a lesser evil than an imperialist trade deal with Washington that might
> thwart Putin.
> WWP doesn't pit it like that, again ignoring the historical context of
> national oppression by Russia against Ukraine.
> Russian oppression of Ukraine has been a consistent and devastating fact of
> life for Ukrainian workers and farmers for centuries. Except for the period
> 1917 to 1924, it was continued in the Soviet period through today, not jus
> under the tsar.
> In the period after 1924, such oppression was rationalized murderously as
> the dictatorship of the proletariat. Is it any wonder in such a historical
> context that Ukraine's workers and farmer have been repeatedly driven into
> the arms of the class enemy?
> When today's Ukraine CP voted for Yanukovich's crackdown and laws
> restricting free speech and assembly, IN PARLIAMENT, the cause of communism
> and motion toward class consciousness was again dealt a blow.
> This is the objective historical context for pulling down some Lenin
> statues and vandalizing Soviet-era public art.
> Telling workers of the world that fascism has triumphed in Kiev is
> premature, dishonest, and demoralizing. It dehistoricizes the fruits of
> past struggles against, and analysis of, fascism. It is subjective
> emitionalisms rum wild.
> Telling workers of the world that political explosions and unexpected
> events are a conspiracy to thwart Russia's regional moves toward political
> suzerainty, and not part of the normal and understandable workings of the
> capitalist crisis, cuts against a materialist understanding of history and
> BREEDS DEMORALIZATION, wrecking any motion toward class consciousness and
> Jay
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