[Marxism] O'Donnell's good question and Obama's bad answer

Michael Karadjis mkaradjis at gmail.com
Sun Jun 22 18:59:00 MDT 2014

Of course Obama is horrified by the idea that mere farmers and workers 
could overthrow a capitalist regime. Obama has done us a favour not only 
in further clarifying imperialist policy towards the Syrian revolution, 
but in clarifying the *class* basis both of the revolution and of 
imperialist opposition to it, something for anti-class 
"anti-imperialists" to think about.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 7:27 AM
To: Michael Karadjis
Subject: Re: [Marxism] O'Donnell's good question and Obama's bad answer

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Various media have different lists of job types in Obama's remarks. The
official transcript says "farmers, teachers or pharmacists:

But that's not my main point. Below is my comment when a Syrian
revolutionary friend shared the article:

"The worst part about his speech is his slanderous denial of the ability 
"farmers or teachers or pharmacists" to defeat Assad. It is PRECISELY 
folks and the rest of Syria's working masses who alone can defeat Assad.
The problem is not the class composition of the FSA, but rather that of 
bourgeois leadership. (And one day the US working masses will overthrow 
filthy ruling class whom Obama gladly serves here.)
PS: I must say Obama clearly doesn't know shit about the Arab-American
community or he wouldn't have slandered pharmacists in particular."

This comment drew an impressive number of "likes" from other 
Arabs. (And of course they're spitting mad about Obama's callous remarks 
general, the essence of which is 'you Syrians are too low-class and 
to deserve our support, so fuck off.'"

On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> From Linux Beach:
>       O'Donnell's good question and Obama's bad answer
>       <
> http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2014/06/odonnells-good-question-and-obamas-bad.html
> >
> > "/CBS This Morning" /host Norah O'Donnell asked
> > <
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-notion-that-syrian-opposition-could-overthrow-assad-a-fantasy/
> >
> > President Obama a very good question when she interviewed him about
> > the growth of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham or ISIS and its
> > dramatic return to Iraq after a year of growth in Syria:
> >
> >     /Would that vacuum exist had we backed the moderate forces in 
> > Syria?/
> >
> > President Barack Obama responded:
> >
> >     /"Yes, I think this notion that somehow there was this 
> > ready-made
> >     moderate Syrian force that was able to defeat [Syrian President
> >     Bashar] Assad is simply not true, and, you know, we have spent a
> >     lot of time trying to work with a moderate opposition in Syria.
> >
> >     "But, as I said yesterday, when you get farmers, dentists and
> >     folks who have never fought before going up against a ruthless
> >     opposition in Assad, the notion that they were in a position to
> >     suddenly overturn not only Assad but also ruthless, highly 
> > trained
> >     jihadists if we just sent a few arms is a fantasy. And I think
> >     it's very important for the American people - but maybe more
> >     importantly, Washington and the press corps - to understand 
> > that."/
> >
> > The correct answer is No, ISIS would probably not be leading the
> > uprising in Iraq if Obama had backed the moderate forces in Syria.
> > President Obama is just wrong when he implies that the Syrian
> > opposition had to battle both the Assad regime and the hard-line
> > Islamic jihadists from the beginning and he is wrong when he says 
> > his
> > administration did all it could to help them when it /"spent a lot 
> > of
> > time trying to work with"/ some of the opposition forces. The 
> > struggle
> > against Assad had gone on for almost a year before these jihadists
> > became a significant factor.
> *More...*
> <
> http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2014/06/odonnells-good-question-and-obamas-bad.html
> >*
> *
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