[Marxism] The settlers/colonizers of Eastern Ukraine

Louis Proyect lnp3 at panix.com
Sun May 4 16:23:51 MDT 2014

On 5/4/14 6:06 PM, Stiofan OBuadhaigh wrote:
> Lou, given that you believe the Russian speaking regions of Ukraine
> were created by a policy of colonization and that those populations
> in Ukraine that speak Russian are "settlers," when did this policy of
> social engineering take place? Given the mix of peoples and cultures
> in Eastern Europe, I am having a difficult time seeing the
> populations of SE Ukraine as analagous to the French in Algeria, the
> Scots-Irish in Ulster, or the Boers of South Africa.

I actually disagree with the Links commenter's characterization of the 
Donetsk pro-Russian segment of the population as anything like Pied 
Noirs or the Ulster Protestants.

But the analogy with Ireland holds on all other grounds. Here's Lenin:

What are you, Kerensky, Tsereteli, Chernov, Skobelev, if not “tamed 
socialists”? Did you raise the question of the Russian Ireland and the 
Russian Algeria, i.e., of Turkestan, Armenia, Ukraine, Finland, etc., 
before the government of the “Russian bourgeoisie now in power”? When 
did you raise this question? Why don’t you tell the Russian “people” 
about it? Why don’t you qualify as “sleight of hand” the Russian 
Narodniks’ and Mensheviks’ blather about “peace without annexations” in 
the Soviet, in the government and before the people, without raising, 
clearly and unambiguously, the question of all Russian annexations of 
the same type as Ireland and Algeria?


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