[Marxism] Thailand: Smells like a coup, tastes like a coup, looks like a coup
stuartmunckton at gmail.com
Wed May 21 18:24:16 MDT 2014
The Red Shirts are drawn from rural and urban poor and their support for
Thaskin, a corrupt tycoon, was based on the fact that he introduced some
measures that benifitted them, such as access to health care for the first
time. At the same time Thaskin, was almost certainly very corrupt and
responsible for human rights abuses -- but there is nothing new or unique
in that, and that is not the basis for his support.
The Red Shirts developed as a mass movement in response to the coup that
got rid of Thaskin and imposed on them much more anti-poor government. The
Red Shirts developed as a mass movement for democracy in the face of
fundamentally anti-democratic forces -- forces that don't believe the poor
should be able to determine government, who don't want to allow popular
I think Giles' articles give a clear account of this, as does his 2009 book
that details the anti-democratic push of the elite and middle classes.
Forces that have again violated the popular will.
The Red Shirts did not develop as a simple pawn of Thaskin, that is a trope
that echoes the general line directed against the Red Shirts that the poor
in Thailand are too stupid to be allowed to vote, that they can simply be
"bought off" and have no independent capacity. Well, sorry -- illusions are
one thing, but it is not surprising when no one has ever done anything but
kick the poor that they get upset when the one leader who gave them
anything is overthrown by a bunch of people who want to *extend* the
undemocratic aspects of the system (such as the senators appointed not
elected and drawn from the military).
On 21 May 2014 18:51, John Obrien <causecollector at msn.com> wrote:
> Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
> I keep reading opinions on this list that the present day Red Shirts in
> are progressive and for democracy. My friends and acquaintances in
> have provided me with sufficient knowledge to understand the Red Shirts are
> just paid pawns of the former wealthy Thailand prime minister Tashkin, who
> seeks to return to power and continue corruption for personal gain.
> There is nothing leftist about the mainly rural Red Shirts Movement in
> There is also a long record of reactionary policies and actions by the
> and previous governments of Thailand, whether as part of the Axis in WWII,
> or more recent its providing military bases and support to the U. S.
> in its wars and bombings against Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.
> > Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 11:02:32 +1000
> > From: stuartmunckton at gmail.com
> > Subject: [Marxism] Thailand: Smells like a coup, tastes like a coup,
> looks like a coup
> > Despite the fact that Prayut claimed that “this is not a coup”, his
> > smell, taste and look like a coup. This is from a man who has blood on
> > hands.
> > Four years ago to the day, Prayut oversaw the gunning down in of almost
> > Red Shirt pro-democracy demonstrators on the streets of Bangkok.
> > https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/56502
> > --
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> > original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made,
> > through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man
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original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made,
through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man
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