[Marxism] NYRB review of Naomi Klein

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Fri Nov 21 08:04:29 MST 2014

On Nov 21, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Pollack wrote:

> Ted Glick makes an argument very similar to Shane's here:
> http://ecowatch.com/2014/11/17/naomi-klein-this-changes-every-thing/
> It's certainly true, as Shane and Ted say, that the odds on making a  
> socialist revolution in time to save the planet and its species are  
> frighteningly small.
> But that doesn't mean pushing only those demands which supposedly  
> make continuing pollution profitable...

How about reading what I wrote? The whole point is to make continuing  
pollution UNprofitable.

> On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Joseph Green via Marxism wrote:
>  Klein prettifies the carbon tax, and does not recognize it as
> a market measure, no better than the rest of them;
> This is the purest ultraleft idiocy. As I have pointed out--and as  
> Green absurdly ignores--the capitalism system is not about to be  
> overthrown by a proletarian revolution, not in less time than we  
> have before the human environment is irrevocably destroyed. Our  
> struggle therefore absolutely must center on demands for effective  
> measures operative within the logic of the capitalist system.   
> Effective carbon taxation is not merely "better"--it is the ONLY way  
> to make the intensification of pollution so UNPROFITABLE that the  
> capitalist market totally abandons it and is forced, by its own  
> "logic," to recognize and act on the real, and ever-increasing,  
> profitability of investment in the whole range of maturing carbon- 
> eliminating energy technologies.
>  Shane Mage
> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
> kindling in measures and going out in measures.
> Herakleitos of Ephesos

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