[Marxism] NYRB review of Naomi Klein

Andrew Pollack acpollack2 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 21 08:10:45 MST 2014

It was a typo. It should have been obvious from the context that I meant

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Shane Mage via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> On Nov 21, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Pollack wrote:
>  Ted Glick makes an argument very similar to Shane's here:
>> http://ecowatch.com/2014/11/17/naomi-klein-this-changes-every-thing/
>> It's certainly true, as Shane and Ted say, that the odds on making a
>> socialist revolution in time to save the planet and its species are
>> frighteningly small.
>> But that doesn't mean pushing only those demands which supposedly make
>> continuing pollution profitable...
> How about reading what I wrote? The whole point is to make continuing
> pollution UNprofitable.
>  On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Joseph Green via Marxism wrote:
>>  Klein prettifies the carbon tax, and does not recognize it as
>> a market measure, no better than the rest of them;
>> This is the purest ultraleft idiocy. As I have pointed out--and as Green
>> absurdly ignores--the capitalism system is not about to be overthrown by a
>> proletarian revolution, not in less time than we have before the human
>> environment is irrevocably destroyed. Our struggle therefore absolutely
>> must center on demands for effective measures operative within the logic of
>> the capitalist system.  Effective carbon taxation is not merely
>> "better"--it is the ONLY way to make the intensification of pollution so
>> UNPROFITABLE that the capitalist market totally abandons it and is forced,
>> by its own "logic," to recognize and act on the real, and ever-increasing,
>> profitability of investment in the whole range of maturing
>> carbon-eliminating energy technologies.
>>  Shane Mage
>> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
>> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
>> kindling in measures and going out in measures.
>> Herakleitos of Ephesos
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