[Marxism] A query from Ahmet Tonak
lnp3 at panix.com
Wed Apr 1 12:21:49 MDT 2015
On 3/13/15 10:43 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:
> On 3/13/15 10:35 AM, Ahmet Tonak wrote:
>> I am in the process of writing a piece on transition to socialism,
>> focusing on especially economic programs/steps/stages etc. So, I am
>> open to any suggestion.
>> I also need the bibliographic information about a quote from Lenin that
>> I cannot pinpoint. I was something like this: "There is no difference
>> between tha last day of capitalism and the first day of socialism." Do
>> you remember anything like this? The context and the source?
> Hi, Ahmet
> I will take a look later but in the meantime I am forwarding your query
> to Marxmail. Someone is bound to have a handle on that there.
I heard back on this from Lars Lih today:
> On 4/1/15 10:50 AM, Lars Lih wrote:
> Hi all -- Sorry I haven't responded, the note was sent to my McGill
> address, which I rarely consult (I only teach a course there every other
> year or so).
> You inquire about the following alleged Lenin quote: "There is no
> difference between the last day of capitalism and the first day of
> I don't know this quote -- and in fact, I'm rather skeptical about its
> existence. Lenin didn't really concern himself with such questions, and
> I can't think of a context where it may have come up. But if I'm proved
> wrong -- well, I will have learned something.
> Something resembling this sentiment is a main idea of Kautsky's book
> /The Day after the Social Revolution/, from 1902 -- Lenin helped get it
> published in Russian. But note: note the hazy and metaphysical concepts
> of "capitalism" and "socialism", but, more concretely, after the
> proletariat comes to power.
> And talking about that: I've been writing up Bukharin's book from 1920,
> /Economy of the Transition Period/, and his angle, I think, would be
> this. On the one hand, the social revolution entails a collapse not only
> in the state (smash the state) but in the economy (smash the economy).
> This is a "production cost of revolution" and has to be paid. On the
> other hand, when a certain new normalcy is achieved, the structures will
> /look like/ advanced capitalism (in those days, people thought advanced
> capitalism was moving toward a semi-planned economy). On the third
> hand, although the structures look the same, it will be fundamentally
> different, because a different class will be ruling (as per Dave the
> truck-driver). Or, as I summarize his (Bukharin's) view: things will be
> fundamentally different -- but /only /fundamentally.
> Hope this helps -- LTL
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