[Marxism] has Jacobin seen the light?

Clay Claiborne clayclai at gmail.com
Fri Dec 4 18:27:01 MST 2015

Along the same lines I criticized Assad & Putin for giving ISIS areas a
pass in bombing, I found this comment interesting:
Why doesn't the U.S. military bomb the power stations and sanitation
systems in Raqqa (the ISIS capital) and make life miserable there?
By making life unbearable in the ISIS capital, the civilians would have no
choice but to flee, and the terrorists would lose their main selling point:
That they can sustain a viable state and orderly rule.  The US bombed the
heck out of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.  Why not make life under ISIS
a hellish nightmare so people think twice before declaring allegiance to a
rubble caliphate?

Our answer might be civilian causalities but I don't think that is their

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On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Andrew Pollack <acpollack2 at gmail.com>

> Great points, Clay.
> Obviously I agree on the shameful, reactionary role of the pseudo-Left.
> Which makes it all the more important that we support the genuine Left in
> the region, no matter how small, i.e. the revolutionary socialists who have
> supported every uprising from the start.
> And of course that should go hand in hand with material and moral support
> to the grassroots forces in the liberated areas - the LCCs, the White
> Helmets, the women's and cultural projects, etc. etc.
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Clay Claiborne <clayclai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> First, as you've probably already heard, its official ISIS terror has
>> come to LA.
>> Now to this pleasant surprise from Jacobin.
>> This is an excellent piece, one of the best I've seen on ISIS.
>> However, I think there are a couple of connections that need to be made
>> that this piece missed. He says:
>>> This observation points to the undeniable fact that ISIS consciously
>>> choreographs itself as an island of stability and peace amid a region of
>>> chaos, war, and upheaval. This is important to understanding the pull that
>>> ISIS presents to some layers of the population. In a moment of deep crisis,
>>> the promise of some level of security is part of what makes ISIS attractive
>>> (or, at the very least, a less-worse option).
>> and later he talks about how the Russians have been targeting non-ISIS
>> areas, and of course the Assad regime has long been doing the same thing.
>> But he missed the connection between these policies and Daesh's ability to
>> provide "islands of stability." Is this because Daesh is so much more
>> effective at organizing civil  society than Assad's opposition? Or is it
>> just much more difficult to organize civil society with barrel bombs
>> raining down on you. I would say that it is really the Assad regime that is
>> providing these "islands of stability" not Daesh. Let Assad, and now the
>> Russians treat FSA and Daesh controlled areas the same, and then lets see
>> were the people go and how many are willing to shelter under ISIS rule. I
>> think it every important to show how Assad collaboration has contributed to
>> ISIS success.
>> 2.) he rightfully says:
>>> Faced with growing left-wing and nationalist political movements in the
>>> region, the sponsorship of Islamism was seen as an effective and disarming
>>> counterweight. By the 1980s, this policy was applied most systematically
>>> through US and Saudi support for Arab Islamist fighters in Afghanistan. It
>>> was here that preparations for armed jihad received their first practical
>>> boost.
>> If our principal "weapon" is ideology, then nobody can "disarm" the Left
>> but the Left itself, and that is exactly what has happened!
>> Yes, the imperialists have helped the Islamists position themselves to
>> take advantage of the people's discontent, but would this even be possible
>> had not the "Left" largely abandoned the people to them?
>> Take the case of Syria, for example. A revolutionary situation. A people
>> in revolt. The 2 local communist parties back the regime. Internationally
>> the Left, including Jacobin, has either remained silent or backed the
>> regime.
>> It is far too soon to say why this San Bernardino couple turned to ISIS
>> for guidance or whether the sight of the So. Cal Left marching with Assad's
>> flag had anything to do with it, so I won't go there - yet. But it is safe
>> to say that any young people, Muslim or not, concerned about the tragedy in
>> Syria, will be disgusted by the Left and look elsewhere.
>> The Left, including Jacobin, needs to see their own role in the rise of
>> ISIS.
>> The utopic promise of ISIS will always beat out the banal "lesser of 2
>> evils" future being promoted by the opportunist Left.
>> Clay
>> Clay Claiborne, Director
>> Vietnam: American Holocaust <http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com>
>> Linux Beach Productions
>> Venice, CA 90291
>> (310) 581-1536
>> Read my blogs at the Linux Beach <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/>
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