[Marxism] last words on Greece

Gary MacLennan gary.maclennan1 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 13 21:49:51 MDT 2015


Yes feel free to quote, Andrew.

comradely

Gary

On Tuesday, July 14, 2015, Andrew Pollack via Marxism <
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> I just finished the Panitch/Gindin article and came here to rant (and to
> bemoan Gindin's participation; I expected better of him given his decades
> of grassroots labor work), but Gary and Michael have said it all. Can I
> quote you both on Facebook? (all these messages are visible anyway on the
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> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Michael Yates via Marxism <
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>> Hear! Hear! Gary. I am afraid that Leo and Sam seem to be getting wronger
>> on so many issues the older they get. Whatever happened to their mantra
>> about building people's capacities, or at least trying to do so? Also,
>> there is  lot of what we might call historical amnesia. Too many people
say
>> that all left projects have failed because they were doomed to fail. And
>> this is because their adversaries were just too powerful. This is surely
an
>> incorrect method of analysis. Why were the Bolsheviks doomed to fail? Why
>> was the restoration of capitalism in China inevitable? Why was Greece
>> doomed to make the most awful capitulations to the troika? It seems that
>> critics of what one man called the "ultra-left," meaning not sectarians
but
>> all to the left of Syriza, look at everything after the fact, and say,
>> well, no wonder they failed. Not because they failed to make a detailed
and
>> sophisticated of the forces at play and plan to find the best was to
combat
>> their enemy's power, but because, well, their adversaries were just too
>> damned powerful. As this same guy said, "The fucking Germans, man." Best
to
>> give in and wait for a better day. Of course, the better day usually
never
>> comes, and we find ourselves facing the grave. But let one of us say that
>> they failed to do what needed to be done, and we are accused of looking
at
>> things through technicolor glasses. Or told that we didn't read the polls
>> taken to see what people thought at some point in time, never realizing
>> that life is lived in a dynamic and ever-changing context, one in which
>> politicls always comes into play.
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