[Marxism] Moderator's note
marvgand2 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 18 15:12:02 MDT 2015
On Jul 18, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism <marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
> When push comes to shove, it's always Louis's list.
> Unsub me.
It always has to be Louis’ list, because he’s incapable of functioning in a broader mileu over a sustained period of time. He would be quickly chewed up in a trade union, workers’ party or other mass organization where his belligerent egotism would not be tolerated for very long. And he claims to be building an inclusive, non-sectarian left in the USA! How preposterously self-deluding can you get?
I thought the exchange between Creegan and Karadjis was thoughtful and respectful on both sides. I’ve had my differences with both of them and others on the list over the past decade, but would happily call them comrades and function collectively with them in the same party. Not so Proyect, whose first instinct is to denounce. Most recently, he’s had the colossal gall to denounce those who have not followed him across the aisle to the austerian side as ideological purists and wild-eyed proponents of a new revolutionary international. I hope I’m wrong, but this is the kind of language I associate with those embarking, without fully realizing it, on that well-trodden path of many former leftists.
I can’t abide petty martinets. For all its merits and the presence of good, serious people who subscribe to it, leaving this iist is not, after all, like leaving the old mass parties of the left. Unsub me also.
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> wrote:
>> On 7/18/15 4:00 PM, Andrew Pollack wrote:
>>> You're booting Jim for doing class analysis?
>>> That's fucked up.
>>> To be precise, that's Stalinism.
>> No, it's not. This is not a party. I don't collect dues or ask people to
>> sell a stupid newspaper at plant gates 6am in the morning.
>> It is a mailing list that I have the right to edit, to create boundaries
>> around just like any other publication, print or electronic. I don't tend
>> to remove people from the list unless I decide that their purpose here is
>> only to do "class analysis" as you put it. I had 11 years of this kind of
>> "class analysis" in the Trotskyist movement and that was enough for me. If
>> anybody wants to set up a mailing list where you can blather on about the
>> petty-bourgeoisie, contact me privately and I'll help you get started.
>> This list has been around for 17 years and has over 1500 subscribers. If
>> there's one thing I've learned over the years, it is that is not the place
>> to do Leon Trotsky imitations. Here's a reminder from the Marxmail website
>> subscription page for anybody tempted to repeat the Cannon-Shachtman debate:
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>> There are a couple of things that are frowned upon strongly. If you come to
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>> Marxist study and political experience.
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