[Marxism] Leila Khaled in the Philippines
philipferguson8 at gmail.com
Wed Nov 18 16:31:51 MST 2015
No, Andrew I don't defend murder.
This whole thing began because, after I posted a PFLP piece about Leila
Khaled - NOT about Sison - you launched into a big attack on Sison!!! You
are obsessed with the dude. You attempted to divert it into an entire
different discussion, which had nothng to do with the PFLP piece and what
Leila Khaled said at the conference. Then you launch into hyperbole
accusing me of defending murder. And I assume it is Leila Khaled you are
calling a "tired old Stalinist". I'll leave it to other comrades to draw
their own conclusions about that sot of name-calling.
You are sadly living in the past - obsessed with 'Stalinists' when it is a
meaningless term in the 21st century.
I have no intention of carrying on further discussion with anyone obsessed
with reliving the Trotsky-Stalin dispute and who sees Stalinism - and wants
to denounce it - any time they see anyone speaking at an ILPS event.
Grief, you need to move on,
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Andrew Pollack <acpollack2 at gmail.com>
> MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DONE???
> First of all, Sison's own supporters admit the killings, they just say the
> policy was later abandoned (in a "rectification" campaign).
> Secondly, I don't know where you got your training, Ferguson, but where I
> come from ANY violence against a comrade or coworker is 100% expressly
> forbidden. And apologizing for it or lying about it is morally
> The fact that you defend murder chills my blood. And the fact that, in a
> moment when Palestinian youth are mobilizing without and even against the
> old factions, you are still promoting tired old Stalinists, convinces me
> that your ideas are an obstacle to the reorganization of the global left.
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism <
> marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
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>> Ken, this arose as I posted the url for a piece about Leila Khaled
>> at an ILPS event in Manila.
>> I am not opposed to her taking advantage of any platform she can get.
>> This has nothing to do with what Sison may or may not have done 30 or 40
>> years ago.
>> It's as irrelevant as where people fighting repressive regimes get their
>> guns from or whose train Lenin rode in in 1917.
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Ken Hiebert <knhiebert at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> > Phillip Ferguson said (in part):
>> > Andy, if it is OK for people fighting for liberation in the Middle East
>> > get guns from imperialism (and I think it is), then it is OK for Leila
>> > Khaled to take advantage of a mass audience offered to her in the
>> > Philippines.
>> > The charges about threatening to kill Walden Bello were, afaik, dealt
>> > years ago and it turned out they did no such thing, although they
>> > attacked Bello strongly over some stuff - if I recall rightly it was
>> > NGO stuff.
>> > What does "ultra-Maoist" mean in the context of 2015?
>> > The NPA has - and celebrates - gay marriage in its ranks and the CPP is
>> > heavily involved in the gay and trans movement in the Philippines (in
>> > they lead such a movement). Is that 'ultra-Maoist' too?
>> > Ken Hiebert replies:
>> > Andrew Pollack's accusation that Sison was responsible for the death of
>> CPP members did not provoke a denial from Philip, but he did balk at the
>> suggestion that Walden Bello had been targeted. This seems to be a detail
>> if you are not willing to deny that the CPP killed its own members.
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