[Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at home)

Mark Richey markrichey at earthlink.net
Mon Oct 19 06:45:29 MDT 2015


Well, thank you for the sort-of apology.  That was far worse than anything I said about the zio-cliques, all of which I stand by, not in the least crude.

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>From: "A.R. G via Marxism" <marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu>
>Sent: Oct 19, 2015 7:29 PM
>To: Mark Richey <markrichey at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at	home)
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>Personally I don't think that *any* references to Jewish privileging,
>especially in Palestine circles, should be ban-worthy. Also, there is an
>actual phenomenon called liberal Zionism and it does, in fact, have an
>excessive influence on the US left.
>
>But I think Mark Richey's comments are crude and and unsophisticated and
>uncalled for, and like Jeff says there's no sociological relevance. So for
>once, I kind of agree with Jeff.
>
>I admit, I made a mistake of bringing up the rumor against Mark.
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>- Amith
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>On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Jeff via Marxism <
>marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
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>> At 14:18 19-10-15 +0800, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
>> >
>> >What I can document
>>
>> For starters, we don't want to hear claims of what someone "can document."
>> Someone who wants to make an argument just sends the documentation, period.
>> When the most you can say is that you "can document" something, it's
>> usually because you can't. Likewise when "everyone knows" some fact (e.g.
>> about Syria) it usually means no one actually knows it.
>>
>> But getting to the point:
>>
>> > is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are overwhelmingly
>> >liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists,
>>
>> In any political discussion, identifying ethnicity/religion of participants
>> when there is no sociological relevance is properly frowned up. Much more
>> serious however are such reference in relationship to activists who you are
>> in discussion with, even indirectly. The discussion on this list has to
>> center on the ideas being expressed, not on who's expressing them, and
>> absolutely not on unrelated factors about those individuals, most of all
>> factors that have been associated with discrimination or oppression.
>>
>> It is particularly egregious when such a reference conjures up racist myths
>> about "Jewish domination" or conspiracies, as these are lies that are
>> associated with past genocide. Labelling any activists who work in the
>> interests of Palestine "Zionist" is a particularly vicious and disruptive
>> charge since it's the same as saying that they are on the side of the enemy
>> (just like a false charge of someone being an informer). I have never seen
>> a phrase such as "liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists" thrown around on this
>> list (or in any acceptable discussion) and absolutely do not expect to see
>> it again.
>>
>> I imagine the only reason the moderator has allowed this person to get this
>> far, is that because his contributions to the discussion are so disgusting
>> that they actually benefit the other side. And that his statements are so
>> easy to counter. But frankly if Louis would like to have a discussion about
>> Syria with the pro-Assad left, I'd really prefer if it was with Brian
>> Becker or Franklin Lamb, so that the victory of his argumentation would
>> mean something.
>>
>> I have seen no evidence that this person has anything useful to contribute
>> to this list or has any intention of discussing ideas in good faith. And
>> the use of ethnic references of the sort I mentioned is completely
>> unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated in the least.
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
>> such as MECA, JVP, IJAN, etc. Such is the
>> >case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara Lubin, the
>> alter
>> >ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but which people
>> like
>> >AR parrot mindlessly.  After all, they're Jewish, they must be
>> right..
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