[Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at home)

Mark Richey markrichey at earthlink.net
Mon Oct 19 06:52:48 MDT 2015


This ain't a myth, honey, as you well know.  That's all there is to say on the subject.

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>From: Jeff via Marxism <marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu>
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>Subject: [Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at	home)
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>At 14:18 19-10-15 +0800, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
>>
>>What I can document
>
>For starters, we don't want to hear claims of what someone "can document."
>Someone who wants to make an argument just sends the documentation, period.
>When the most you can say is that you "can document" something, it's
>usually because you can't. Likewise when "everyone knows" some fact (e.g.
>about Syria) it usually means no one actually knows it.
>
>But getting to the point:
>
>> is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are overwhelmingly 
>>liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists, 
>
>In any political discussion, identifying ethnicity/religion of participants
>when there is no sociological relevance is properly frowned up. Much more
>serious however are such reference in relationship to activists who you are
>in discussion with, even indirectly. The discussion on this list has to
>center on the ideas being expressed, not on who's expressing them, and
>absolutely not on unrelated factors about those individuals, most of all
>factors that have been associated with discrimination or oppression. 
>
>It is particularly egregious when such a reference conjures up racist myths
>about "Jewish domination" or conspiracies, as these are lies that are
>associated with past genocide. Labelling any activists who work in the
>interests of Palestine "Zionist" is a particularly vicious and disruptive
>charge since it's the same as saying that they are on the side of the enemy
>(just like a false charge of someone being an informer). I have never seen
>a phrase such as "liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists" thrown around on this
>list (or in any acceptable discussion) and absolutely do not expect to see
>it again.
>
>I imagine the only reason the moderator has allowed this person to get this
>far, is that because his contributions to the discussion are so disgusting
>that they actually benefit the other side. And that his statements are so
>easy to counter. But frankly if Louis would like to have a discussion about
>Syria with the pro-Assad left, I'd really prefer if it was with Brian
>Becker or Franklin Lamb, so that the victory of his argumentation would
>mean something.
>
>I have seen no evidence that this person has anything useful to contribute
>to this list or has any intention of discussing ideas in good faith. And
>the use of ethnic references of the sort I mentioned is completely
>unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated in the least.
>
>- Jeff 
>
>such as MECA, JVP, IJAN, etc. Such is the 
>>case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara Lubin, the alter 
>>ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but which people like 
>>AR parrot mindlessly.  After all, they're Jewish, they must be
>right..
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