[Marxism] Nada Elia: Time to Stop Celebrating Jewish Dissent in Palestine Solidarity Mvmt
amithrgupta at gmail.com
Thu Apr 28 16:21:31 MDT 2016
I discourage anyone from engaging Jeff. He is the dishonest poster who
insisted on defending the made up statistics about Counter Punch and he
also defended shutting down the refugee event at Stanford. He embodies the
racism that Nada Elia describes and I'm still not sure why such a poisonous
voice is acceptable on this forum.
On Thursday, April 28, 2016, Jeff via Marxism <marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu>
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> At 12:36 28-04-16 -0400, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:
> >Nada Elia making
> precisely the point about Jewish privilege and chauvinism
> >that the
> assholes from Jews Without Borders (the cult that attacked Lou and
> >I over
> the Alison Weir debacle) keep trying to promote.
> This article is making a big deal about a (largely) imaginary problem,
> which conveniently fits into Amith's agenda of creating false tension
> within the Palestinian solidarity movement (while at the same time,
> normalizing the participation of anti-Israel right-wingers!).
> As an example, the above statement that the Jews Without Borders website
> (which I have browsed) is "trying to promote" "Jewish privilege and
> chauvinism" IS A FILTHY LIE AND A SLANDER!! I really do not know how it is
> possibly acceptable for Amith to make such unfounded statements about
> leftists in struggle and for that to be tolerated on this list. He made
> such accusations against JVP and the Stanford chapter of SJP which he
> slandered as being "not anti-Zionist." In both cases I checked out his
> accusations (after all, I need to know who I'm collaborating with) and I am
> very confident in saying that his charges have no validity at all.
> In response to the article by Nada Elia, I think it might refer to a
> potential problem, which has possibly been observed in practice but
> probably reflects an unfounded fear and uneasiness with the number of Jews
> involved in Palestine solidarity. The reason you find many Jews involved in
> supporting Palestine is because there are many Jews among the left. Period.
> I very seldom hear those leftists going out of their way to identify
> themselves as Jews except (and this is the point of JVP) to smash the idea
> that all Jews support Israel/Zionism or need "protection" through the
> existence of such a state (even if it didn't displace the Palestinian
> nation, among other evils). More often it is the media that points out that
> someone speaking for Palestine is him/herself Jewish, and if they find that
> novel then they are free to report it to the chagrin of those who think in
> terms of some fundamental conflict between Arabs and Jews.
> And anyone on the left will recognize that presently Jews are not an
> oppressed ethnicity (in most all places) and do not interject such nonsense
> into their narratives. Oppression of Jews is an historical phenomenon, and
> when leftists make references to it they are referring to history, usually
> periods before they were even born (thus you might hear a poignant
> reference to the plight of ones grandparents who escaped, or didn't escape,
> the holocaust). The idea that Jews (among the left) are expressing their
> own (supposed) oppression or abusing their own "privilege" is wholly in the
> mind of this author. He wrote a complete essay about a mainly imagined
> Unfortunately, after having become familiar with Amith's modus operandi, it
> doesn't surprise me at all that among all that's out there he would zero in
> on a divisive piece decrying a non-problem.
> - Jeff
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