[Marxism] Vote for Clinton?

A.R. G amithrgupta at gmail.com
Wed Aug 31 18:58:50 MDT 2016

How are we less likely to get war from Trump? Trump has discussed actually
using nuclear weapons. He wants to bring back torture -- and he doesn't
even have any qualms about calling it torture, unlike his Republican
colleagues who purposely used euphemisms like "enhanced interrogation
techniques" to avoid incriminating themselves. He floated sending tens of
thousands of troops to fight in Syria, albeit on the side of the regime. He
has threatened to tear up the diplomatic agreement between the US and Iran,
and he wants to all abut reward the entirety of the West Bank to the
Israeli occupiers. He's also pledged more drones.

The CIA and the Pentagon oppose him for obvious reasons: he is a lunatic.
There is a difference between not being pro-war and being so pro-war that
the other pro-war institutions are afraid you will do it without any

- Amith

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> With Clinton as president, we're certain to get more war, in the tradition
> of the last 25 years. With Trump as president, we might not. How can that
> be a difficult choice?
> “The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have
> demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather
> from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected.
> Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the
> multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains
> its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with
> China's Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world's great
> power talking peace - however unlikely - would be the blackest farce were
> the issues not so dire.” [John Pilger]
> —CGE
> > On Aug 31, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Mark Lause via Marxism <
> marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Trump is farther right than the usual Republican.  Clinton is way further
> > right than the usual Democrat.  But why waste time dickering over the
> > calipers.
> >
> > If Jill Stein wasn't there, I would still vote against both of them.
> Maybe
> > I'd even vote for for the Skippy McTrotly on the Vegetarian Bolshevik
> > Alliance.
> >
> > But not voting at all is better than using your ballot to sanction the
> next
> > temporary monarch of the U.S.
> >
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