[Marxism] Vote for Clinton?

Mark Lause markalause at gmail.com
Wed Aug 31 21:37:01 MDT 2016


You don't buy the standard repackaged Democratic horsecrap and you are
"pro-Trump."

What utter stupidity passes for Marxism!!!!

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> I assume you mean Glen Ford’s piece on Black Agenda Report, which I
> suggest people read for themselves:
>
> <http://www.blackagendareport.com/trump_anti-empire <
> http://www.blackagendareport.com/trump_anti-empire>>.
>
> An appropriate companion piece is <https://consortiumnews.com/
> 2016/06/20/trump-as-the-relative-peace-candidate/ <
> https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/20/trump-as-the-
> relative-peace-candidate/>>.
>
> —CGE
>
>
> > On Aug 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, A.R. G <amithrgupta at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Carl,
> >
> > The piece you cited does not make a whole lot of sense. The first
> argument is his position on military bases. Outside of this being an
> incomparably small token of "isolationism" alongside threats to nuke
> people, send in ground troops, drones, and his use of torture, all he said
> was that he would reverse the arrangement such that those countries would
> be expected to pay the United States, rather than vice versa. He has taken
> a similar line with NATO. The second argument is that he does not accept
> the "rhetoric" of nation-building and so on; but even president-elect
> George W. Bush rejected such rationales during the 2000 election. This only
> means he is not as interested in sugar-coating such policies with the
> rhetoric of democracy and universalism. The last line was his "neutrality"
> rhetoric about Palestine. Even assuming we give that any credibility (one
> might note that even at the time, Trump combined his statements about
> "neutrality" with his affirmation that he was pro-Israel, meaning that he
> simply re-defined "neutral" to mean support for Israel), it has long since
> been surpassed by his adamant and aggressive support for Israel.
> >
> > It is an incredibly weak piece. The only part of it that even remotely
> speaks to what is "anti-empire" about Trump's policies is the isolationist
> rhetoric about US bases in Asia. Given the totality of the policies Trump
> has elaborated on, from nukes to torture to drones to ground troops, I'm
> not sure how anyone can see this as proof of any sort of "anti-imperialist"
> leanings.
> >
> > The Davis piece that I sent out goes into much greater depth about the
> policies that Trump has actually advocated for. He is as violent as they
> come.
> >
> > - Amith
> >
>
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