[Marxism] Trump, Assad and the US Left

Carl G. Estabrook galliher at illinois.edu
Mon Dec 19 14:40:40 MST 2016


Far better than Clinton’s ‘no-fly zones’ in Syria.

I’d rather have Trump talking to Putin than HRC provoking him.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/19/the-bad-losers-and-what-they-fear-losing/ <http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/19/the-bad-losers-and-what-they-fear-losing/>


> On Dec 19, 2016, at 3:30 PM, John Reimann <1999wildcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well and good. But how about Russian troops (and airplanes)? Let's not forget that now Trump is moving into close alliance with Putin as far as Syria is concerned.
> 
> John
> 
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
> The demand should be the removal of all US troops (and bases, weapons, financial support) from MENA.
> 
> Given the extent of US responsibility for the general situation, we should pay for steps taken by the UNSC to pacify the region.
> 
> —CGE
> 
> > On Dec 19, 2016, at 1:29 PM, John Reimann via Marxism <marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu <mailto:marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > Trump, Assad and the US Left
> > <https://oaklandsocialist.com/2016/12/19/trump-assad-and-the-us-left/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__oaklandsocialist.com_2016_12_19_trump-2Dassad-2Dand-2Dthe-2Dus-2Dleft_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=F9NEV0VDiFoCI3pYE-qr4EKdZs0MRBMnFdqhZqXrteg&s=VIvmXS5RuXVRNJJpLVhaY2bSOcxU2vqJUBPHc4bRKjY&e=>>
> > Posted on December 19, 2016
> > <https://oaklandsocialist.com/2016/12/19/trump-assad-and-the-us-left/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__oaklandsocialist.com_2016_12_19_trump-2Dassad-2Dand-2Dthe-2Dus-2Dleft_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=F9NEV0VDiFoCI3pYE-qr4EKdZs0MRBMnFdqhZqXrteg&s=VIvmXS5RuXVRNJJpLVhaY2bSOcxU2vqJUBPHc4bRKjY&e=>> by
> > oaklandsocialist <https://oaklandsocialist.com/author/oaklandsocialist/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__oaklandsocialist.com_author_oaklandsocialist_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=F9NEV0VDiFoCI3pYE-qr4EKdZs0MRBMnFdqhZqXrteg&s=4TP4MF4uBHJ2aNDLYyUzzO21a22IEwUnUCuyC-8THbw&e=>>
> >
> > Much of the left in the US is basically taking the same position that
> > Donald Trump is taking regarding Syria. As the New York Times reports
> > <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/world/middleeast/donald-trump-syria.html?_r=0 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nytimes.com_2016_11_12_world_middleeast_donald-2Dtrump-2Dsyria.html-3F-5Fr-3D0&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=F9NEV0VDiFoCI3pYE-qr4EKdZs0MRBMnFdqhZqXrteg&s=3MhdQ28e14A2AZYdHo3cewvdLludgvRt5-ry9aSm4tk&e=>>:
> > Trump’s position is “that the United States should focus on defeating the
> > Islamic State, and find common ground with the Syrians and their Russian
> > backers.” “My attitude was you’re fighting Syria, Syria is fighting ISIS,
> > and you have to get rid of ISIS,” Trump has said
> > <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/world/middleeast/assad-donald-trump-syria-natural-ally.html <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nytimes.com_2016_11_17_world_middleeast_assad-2Ddonald-2Dtrump-2Dsyria-2Dnatural-2Dally.html&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=F9NEV0VDiFoCI3pYE-qr4EKdZs0MRBMnFdqhZqXrteg&s=cT2puERJHmJMLUI14bVr-Zmvrm6CN2DNeRjPi8jFFtI&e=>>
> > .
> >
> > Is this so very different from those on the left who see the Islamic State
> > and al Qaeda (in the form of Nusra) as the only opponents of Assad? Is it
> > so different from those who justify any crime against humanity in the name
> > of combating the Islamic State fascists? What will they say if a Trump
> > presidency actually does join forces with Putin & Co. in Syria? Will they
> > support that?
> >
> > Basically, these lefts have abandoned any class position. They see one, and
> > only one enemy: US imperialism. The Russian capitalist state cannot be
> > imperialist, according to them. That includes when it imposes itself on the
> > people of Chechnya, using the same military tactics that the racist State
> > of Israel used against the people of Gaza.
> >
> >
> > *Same as the Stalinists of Old*These lefts are taking a position similar to
> > that taken by the Stalinists and their liberal supporters back in the 1930s
> > and ’40s. In the first place, any reports of the crimes of Stalin & Co. are
> > purely capitalist propaganda. Second, that those who traveled to the Soviet
> > Union as guests of the terrorist regime of Stalin and came back with
> > glowing reports were “independent” reporters – as if the people of the
> > Soviet Union then or Syria today would speak openly to these “reporters”
> > for their torturer! But, most important, back in the era of Stalin his
> > supporters argued, in effect, that the world working class must sacrifice
> > its interests for the interests of the “socialist homeland”, which in
> > reality meant the Stalinist bureaucracy.
> >
> >
> > *“US Imperialism the One and Only Enemy”*Today, the defenders of
> > Putin/Assad (and Rouhani and Hezbollah) make a similar argument: That the
> > one and only battle that matters today is that against US imperialism (and
> > its allies, including Israel). Therefore, anything is justified in opposing
> > US imperialism, which is the only imperialist force in the world. They
> > forget that every capitalist state is imperialist, or would be if it could.
> > What is the Guatemalan state when it casts covetous eyes on Belize, with
> > the desire to invade that country? What are both the Indian and Pakistani
> > states with regard to Kashmir? How about the Brazilian state when it sent
> > troops into Haiti to murder Haitian workers protesting in the streets? How
> > about the Chinese state, when it expands into Pakistan, Africa and South
> > America?
> >
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