[Marxism] Fwd: Bernie Sanders is no socialist: Socialism is his brand, but he’s a Democrat in every way but name - Salon.com

A.R. G amithrgupta at gmail.com
Sun Jan 17 00:47:50 MST 2016


We should consider that he's probably not going to win anyway. Leftists
should not waste too much time on electoral politics in countries where
they have no means of participating meaningfully. They should be prepared
for the day after the business elite selects their candidate.

I'm more concerned that Bernie, who is slated to lose the primary unless
dramatic changes take place within the next month or so, will suck away
support for independent challenges to Hillary who will likely take the
White House given the sheer lunacy of the Republican Party. Even assuming
the GOP has a brokered convention to slight Trump out of the nomination,
they will probably go with someone like Cruz who will be able to take in
some of Trump's fascists. Whoever it is, it will be someone who will not be
able to beat Hillary, but will be able to push her further to the right (as
in, further than she already is).

So, leftists should calculate their support for Bernie in that light. Will
Bernie and his "movement" be of any assistance in pulling policy back to
the left once Hillary is in office? If so, how? There is the danger that he
will lose and be expected to endorse Hillary, and if he does then that's a
significant amount of air out of the movement. We should be preparing where
to hit Clinton once she gets elected to so that the neocon right will not
be the only people making her their punching bag. That means reaching
outside of the left and making organizing connections with immigrants, the
Muslim community, working class organizations that haven't been corrupted
by the Democratic Party, and college students to pull Hillary back where
she is the worst.
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- Amith

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Ralph Johansen via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> Louis Proyect wrote
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> ...
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> “If he were running as an independent, I'd certainly support him. The
> problem is that he is a Democrat. The key to class politics is creating a
> pole of attraction to the left of the Democrats that can challenge wage
> slavery...”
>
>
> No one argues with your analysis of who and where Bernie is. What I
> disagree with is that Bernie would be more effective for the cause that we
> espouse, socialism, if he were running as an independent. Can you imagine
> what response he would be getting as an independent, without access to the
> bully pulpit furnished by the debates?
>
> Given our experience here in the US, where there is appreciably no left in
> existence, we might recall that Marx said “Hic rhodos, hic salta.” Here is
> where we are. Here is where we dance. While not entirely apposite, it’s
> close enough. It was a saying originating in Aesop that came to Marx
> through Hegel. It is about a man who boasts of his exploits in Rhodes. The
> respondent tells him to show us right here, where we are. This is where it
> will count.
>
> Bernie has about as good a track record as a left advocate as anyone in
> the three branches of government, even if within the Democratic Party which
> we despise. The issue for me is, does he advocate changes which are
> consistent with the move toward a better life for all, which therefore are
> consistent with advance toward socialism. I say that he does, even if his
> rhetoric is reformist and he’s very weak on foreign policy, and he may well
> endorse Hillary if she becomes the Democratic candidate, without seeking to
> impose on her platform in the general election the program that he calls
> for and that brought him all this mass support. The point is for us to
> prevent her nomination from happening, if we can, and he is all we have. He
> is not, as Obama and Hillary and all the others repeatedly do, making the
> case for the glories of capitalism, and he is therefore anathema to the
> media and the establishment. His speeches resonate with millions,
> particularly young and insecure people who have no quarrel with socialism,
> whatever they may think it is. and who recognize their plight in what he
> describes. What he would do once in office would, as always, depend very
> much on us. As an old retired stiff with limited funds, I’m sending another
> $25 and will volunteer. I’m prepared to be disillusioned, again and yet,
> but not sit out the only game going.
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