[Marxism] Brexit article worth reading
mkaradjis at gmail.com
Sun Jun 26 03:37:12 MDT 2016
Yes of course the opposite was true. Even sillier from this bit of the
article is the reference to these Libyan weapons getting to ISIS (with
or without the imaginary US connivance). Because people who know stuff
know there was no such thing as ISIS in 2012, in Syria, or anywhere. It
was invented the following year. But of course that's only factual
information, which presumably doesn't matter to certain forms of
But anyway. There are a number of stock phrases that have to be learnt
by Assadists or plague-on-both-housists. One of them is this story about
the Libyan weapons flow.
OK, so since the bugbear is supposedly opposition to all imperialist
intervention in all forms always, let's do a little test. We know some
of the parties involved in the arms pipeline from post-Gaddafi Libya to
the Syrian rebels in 2012: former Libyan rebels now in control of regime
stocks, Qatar, MB networks, and Turkey, from where the weapons were
delivered to some rebel groups. And the US, via the CIA, whose role,
according to myriad sources, consisted of strangling the quantity of
weapons getting through to anyone, stringently vetting which groups
could get any at all, and above all ensuring that no anti-tank or
anti-aircraft missiles - ie what the rebels needed - got through to
anyone at all.
So let's be anti-imperialists. Regardless of the motivations of those
regional forces, regardless of our view on them politically, we oppose
all intervention by US (and other) imperialism. So let's now remove the
US/CIA from the equation. Imagine our demands that they get out of the
Mideast were successful. The operation thus continued with the above
participants, but without US imperialism. Good. I'm in favour of that.
a. What would this withdrawal have meant in terms of the volume and
quality of the weaponry delivered to the rebels?
b. Given the answer to a. is obvious, are you still in favour of this
US withdrawal? I am, of course.
From: Louis Proyect via Marxism
> They turned over
> Libyan weapons to [Islamic State], al-Qaida and [Nusra Front].
In fact the opposite is true.
Wall Street Journal, October 17, 2012:
In July, the U.S. effectively halted the delivery of at least 18 Manpads
sourced from Libya, even as the rebels pleaded for more effective
antiaircraft missiles to counter regime airstrikes in Aleppo, people
familiar with that delivery said.
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