[Marxism] Vote for Clinton?

Dennis Brasky dmozart1756 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 1 11:38:09 MDT 2016

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 1:12 PM, A.R. G via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

> There is a simple truth that we are deluding ourselves into forgetting: we
> have already lost the 2016 election. We will not win this round. The focus
> needs to be on building a resistance to whoever wins in 2016. Is there any
> serious case that can be made that that resistance -- and our connection
> with those communities that will lead it -- would be stronger under Donald
> Trump than under Hillary Clinton? I doubt it. I think we must swallow our
> pride and admit that if we live in swing states, we are in a bind and will
> need to vote for the most right-wing president in modern history: Hillary
> Clinton.
> I know this will lose me cred on this list but from a tactical standpoint
> as a socialist I don't see the way around this; I'm of course, welcome to
> alternative visions provided they pay heed to the position we are in.


> reply - You think so?? Labeling oneself a Marxist, one who bases own's
> political approach on class strugle politics, and employing Marxist
> phraseology, while looking to "the most right-wing president in modern
> history" to "save" us from another right-winger -- if it wasn't so damn
> nauseating, it would be laughable. How did things work out for your
> political ancestors when they supported Hindenburg in 1932 to "protect" the
> German Left from the Nazis??

    Your approach betrays a total lack of confidence in the working class
and oppressed minorities to fight back against the reactionary and racist
policies that have been and will continue to be served up by a ruling class
that finds itself in increasingly dire straits. You look everywhere for a
"protector" except where Marxists should be looking - to the oppressed
victims of those policies. If you're right, then we can forget socialism
and the struggle against all the rottenness in the world - destruction of
the planet, war, sexism, racism, greed, homophobia - and just turn inwards
to our own personal lives. I say that you're wrong!

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