[Marxism] Vote for Clinton?

Sheldon Ranz sranz18 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 1 18:20:24 MDT 2016

Amith: “Is there any serious case that can be made that that resistance --
and our connection
with those communities that will lead it -- would be stronger under
Donald Trump than under Hillary Clinton?”

Yes.  Hillary would get the benefit of the doubt from many progressives
because she would be the first woman President, and many male progressives
in particular would be inhibited from criticizing her for fear of being
labeled sexist.  This will dampen resistance to her Kissinger-style foreign
policies, for example.  On the other hand, what progressives would be
intimidated going after Trump?  As a white male heterosexual Christian
Republican, he’s the perfect storm for the oppressed.

Economist Michael Hudson wrote on Counterpunch recently that Hillary is the
greater evil precisely because she is more organized, intellectually
capable and has better connections to the Establishment.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> Well said.
> > On Sep 1, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism <
> marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
> >
> > ...let me repeat what I have already said. My political orientation was
> based on what I learned from Peter Camejo in the early 80s. I took an
> interest in the Greens after attending a standing room only for Ralph Nader
> in 2000 and it deepened after Peter became his running mate in 2004. Nader
> was not running as a Green that year because "Demogreens" were afraid that
> he would steal votes from John Kerry.
> >
> > In other words, I am a strong supporter of the Green Party (even though
> I am not a member). I always vote Green, including for Howie Hawkins who is
> on Marxmail. Half the editorial board of the North Star website are
> involved with the Greens either as candidates (Brandy Baker and Jim Brash)
> or as frustrated members (Mark Lause).
> >
> > I have political principles that I am strongly committed to. One of them
> is total opposition to both the Democrats and Republicans. In the best of
> all possible worlds, the Labor Party that some leftish AFL-CIO bureaucrats
> formed back in the 1980s would have taken off but they lacked the nerve,
> just like the Demogreens.
> >
> > I don't think that the Greens will lead a revolution in the USA that is
> so desperately needed but it is a way-station on that path. If something
> better came along, I'd hook up with that in a heartbeat. But surely you
> must understand by now that I would rather be waterboarded than vote for
> Hillary Clinton.
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