[Marxism] Vote for Clinton?
hasc.warrior.stew at gmail.com
Thu Sep 1 20:29:20 MDT 2016
I'd like to interject here something Mumia himself said in a recent column:
If Trump is the price we have to pay to defeat Clintonian neoliberalism –
so be it.
In other words, Clay, get over yourself. Mumia has been what I view as the
greatest revolutionary thinker in America for decades. If he says it, I'm
more inclined to take his judgments more seriously than this Chicken Little
act. All Trump has done is show the world how awful white Americans
actually are and always were. It is painful and awful to see the violence
he inspires. But that white trash was going to do that anyways without
Trump, all he did was give them a new Tea Partier figurehead, before him it
was Sarah Palin and Glen Beck. Further, I would argue that a) denying that
the fascists in this country are police is itself racist and b) pissing off
his followers by giving Clinton a victory is a very bad idea.
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:54:24 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Marxism] Vote for Clinton?
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On 9/1/16 7:44 PM, Clay Claiborne wrote:
> Are you now ready to revise your estimate of Trump's chances?
Clay, let me repeat what I have already said. My political orientation
was based on what I learned from Peter Camejo in the early 80s. I took
an interest in the Greens after attending a standing room only for Ralph
Nader in 2000 and it deepened after Peter became his running mate in
2004. Nader was not running as a Green that year because "Demogreens"
were afraid that he would steal votes from John Kerry.
In other words, I am a strong supporter of the Green Party (even though
I am not a member). I always vote Green, including for Howie Hawkins who
is on Marxmail. Half the editorial board of the North Star website are
involved with the Greens either as candidates (Brandy Baker and Jim
Brash) or as frustrated members (Mark Lause).
I have political principles that I am strongly committed to. One of them
is total opposition to both the Democrats and Republicans. In the best
of all possible worlds, the Labor Party that some leftish AFL-CIO
bureaucrats formed back in the 1980s would have taken off but they
lacked the nerve, just like the Demogreens.
I don't think that the Greens will lead a revolution in the USA that is
so desperately needed but it is a way-station on that path. If something
better came along, I'd hook up with that in a heartbeat. But surely you
must understand by now that I would rather be waterboarded than vote for
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