[Marxism] The assault on gender-critical feminists
nelsontim86 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 19 10:57:39 MST 2018
One of the problems with this “debate” is that it seems to have become
needlessly polarised. It seems that both sides have become entrenched, and
one of the main causes of this is the insistence by certain wings of the
“Rad Fem” movement and their allies to label anyone who supports Trans
rights or Trans activism as somehow motivated by misogyny.
I have to say, the OP email here is a case in point. You can disagree on
this issue without being a sexist.
That being said, I am also disturbed by some of the tactics employed by
some wings of Trans activism recently. While they of course have a right to
protest outside whatever meetings they want, attempts to shut down feminist
meetings (however insulted Trans people may be by what some feminists have
to say about them) using tactics such as blocking entrances and heckling,
are not acceptable; and will needlessly backfire. While I would agree that
the worst examples of violent and sexualised rhetoric are isolated cases,
there is a wider problem of such rhetoric not being challenged, or ignored.
Generally, the whole tone of the debate is toxic.
In my opinion, one of the problems has been that both sides of this
argument have become dominated by sectarian groupings, who seem entirely
unconcerned about alienating broad layers of people. The Rad Fems are
pretty much separatists by definition. Many trans activists (in Britain at
least, I don’t know about elsewhere), seem to have adopted anarchist
tactics (which is to see any alternative opinion as “oppressive”, and
therefore anything goes in opposing them).
The problem with this is that most people will not be particularly read-up
on the ins and outs of this issue. Many will have any number of confused
ideas on this subject. Whatever position people land on this, to dismiss
those who don’t fit your own firm views as misogynists, on the one hand, or
transphobes, on the other, would be a mistake. Most people will come to
this debate fresh, and open to being convinced either way. And many, in
coming across this debate for the first time, will run a mile when they see
the level of toxicity.
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:28 PM Dennis Brasky via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
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> > > On Dec 19, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism <
> > marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > What I find truly callous and cowardly is the preparedness of a swathe
> > > male leftists to ignore this campaign and, in a number of cases, to
> > > actually help enable it.
> > >
> > > The campaign itself is largely being conducted, of course, by
> > > males albeit ones who self-ID as women and even lesbians (albeit
> > > lesbians-with-penises-and-testicles).
> > >
> > > Some of the men here really need to seriously look at themselves and
> > their
> > > silence on this vicious - and misogynistic - campaign. Take a look,
> > > instance, at some of the material highlighted on the peaktrans site:
> > > https://www.peaktrans.org/ <https://www.peaktrans.org/>
> > This is a deflection. No one here (as far as I’m aware) has even hinted
> > support for de-platforming, social media attacks, harassment, or anything
> > similar, and at least some of us have been actively involved in struggles
> > for women’s rights for many years. But all of the evidence offered by
> > Whitmore et al — as unfortunate and even objectionable as some the
> > behaviour may be — is still essentially anecdotal, and there’s been no
> > acknowledgment at all of the overwhelming *statistical* counter-evidence.
> > So this is just a continuation of the argument-from-moral-panic, with a
> > dollop of ad hominem and identitarian moral policing thrown in for
> > rhetorical good measure.
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