[Marxism] [UCE] What lies behind Trump's troop withdrawal from Syria and what it means

mkaradjis mkaradjis at gmail.com
Thu Dec 20 21:52:36 MST 2018


I agree with John on Eastbrook's "comment."

However, while I generally share John's analysis, I cannot agree that he
gets his marching orders from Putin (or Erdogan). US imperialism is far
more powerful than its junior Russian cousin. The difference between the
Trump rapid withdrawers, and the "remainers", is a tactical difference
within US imperialism. Trump rightly has no problem with a
Russian-dominated Syria, because US imperialism never did have any such
problem. There has simply never even been a hint of it during the entire
last 8 years. There has been an awful lot of counterrevolutionary
US-Russian collaboration (and of course tactical and "credibility"
differences). The "remainers" may have a little more of a problem from the
"credibility" point of view with rapid withdrawal (both the credibility of
rapidly ditching allies such as the SDF, and the *appearance* in such a
sudden action of "giving in the the Russians") but if you look carefully
they also don't care a fig about Russian influence in Syria. Rather, they
don't trust Russia will be strong enough to push out Iran alone, and want
to stay and help; Trump however knows that the strengthening of a
Russian-dominated Assad regime, by allowing it to take nearly all of the
country (and further neutralising Turkish opposition to assad by giving
Erdogan a further slice at the expense of the Kurds), makes the
destabilising Iranian role increasingly superfluous to Assad.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:19 PM John Reimann via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> CG Estabrook's comment is the kind of snide personal attack that people
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> John Reimann
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> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:16 PM C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
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> > Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.
> >
> > Be careful, John. The madness is showing.
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> > > On Dec 20, 2018, at 4:35 PM, John Reimann via Marxism <
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> > > The main reason for his withdrawal is that he got his marching orders
> > from
> > > his paymaster, Putin. As I had predicted last night on Facebook, these
> > > orders apparently came through Erdogan, with whom he'd been on the
> phone
> > > just a couple of days earlier. This decision not only means a new stage
> > in
> > > Syria, it threatens to force an all-out war by the mainstream of the US
> > > capitalist class against Trump, who has shown once again that he is
> > Putin's
> > > agent. Even his closest foreign policy advisors - Bolton and Pompeo -
> are
> > > adamantly against this withdrawal. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is hinting
> at
> > > raising Trump's links with and dependence on the Russian oligarchy.
> > >
> > > For international working class solidarity instead of relying on ANY
> > > capitalist/imperialist force be it the US, Russia, or any other!
> > > Read full article here:
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