[Marxism] Did Russian meddling swing the election? Does it matter?

John Reimann 1999wildcat at gmail.com
Thu Mar 1 14:47:45 MST 2018


I was just trying to be cute, but I guess it came across differently. Sorry
about that.

Although one point where we may have a real difference is in the final
sentence that "better days are coming". They might be at some point, but I
think that in the forseeable future things could get a whole lot worse.
Maybe this new youth movement against assault weapons plus the new "me too"
movement are the forerunners to a broader movement. If so, then he's very
possibly right about better days coming. But these movements could also be
flashes in the pan, in which case it's very possible that a lot WORSE days
are coming.

John Reimann

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 1:01 PM, Anthony Boynton <anthony.boynton at gmail.com>
wrote:

> John Reiman has misquoted me and misunderstood what I said in my recent
> post (and probably what Mark Lause said as well). We can only guess why,
> but to be charitable, he was probably just overly hasty to make a good
> point.
>
>
>
> And that is too bad, because I agree with his good point. Here it is
>
>
>
> “One thing we have to realize is that in Russia, the "oligarchs" and the
> Russian mafia are more or less one and the same. And I don't think we
> really have to "guess" about Trump's connections: Trump IS connected with
> the Russian mafia, he HAS served as a money launderer for them for years,
> and there IS so much publicly known evidence that we don't have to "guess".
> This has been in the public record for at least a year, if not longer.”
>
>
>
> Just for the record, here is John’s unfortunate Bowdlerization:
>
>
>
> "Anthony Boynton quotes Mark Lause approvingly: "Although we can only guess
> based on what we know, Trump's behavior makes him look guilty as hell....
> By
> guilty, I mean deep-rooted financial ties between Trump and his circle with
> the Russian oligarchs, among others."
>
>
>
> But I did not write anything like that! Here is what I wrote,
>
> “I agree with Mark Lause when he writes,
>
>
>
> ‘“I tend to think the entire issue (Russian intervention in the 2016 US
> elections) as much more important than we tend to credit it. (But I tended
> to think that we underestimated the importance of the impeachment question
> on Nixon, too.)  Although we can only guess based on what we know, Trump's
> behavior makes him look guilty as hell, and I'd bet that Mueller has
> serious evidence against him . . . and is currently working to make the
> case watertight.  By guilty, I mean deep-rooted financial ties between
> Trump and his circle with the Russian oligarchs, among others.”
>
> ‘“The Republicans have generally demonstrated a complete lack of party
> independence from the head of state . . . and the Democrats have shown a
> complete inability to tie their shoes and take the most rudimentary steps.”’
>
>
>
> “But, I think he misses what is happening in the world when he continues,
>
> ‘“All of which underscores the opportunities of which we could be taking
> advantage, if we had genuinely independent social movements of any
> persistence and scale . . . or any organizations more substantial than
> social democratic bowling leagues.”’
>
>
>
> “The fact of the matter is that a mass and multi-faceted social democratic
> movement is growing
>
> ​in ​
>
> the United States that includes the women’s rights movement (much more
> than #MeToo), Black Lives Matter, the immigrants’ rights movement, the
> $15/hour movement, the anti-gun movement and a much broader and deeper
> ferment.
>
>>
> “That deeper ferment is in part centered on the issue of democracy​ and is
> deeply offended by the fact that Trump is in the White House despite having
> lost the popular vote and patently having manipulated the vote in illegal
> ways and with the aid of a foreign power.
>
>
>
> “However you define “we” –the very broad left, the revolutionary left, the
> Marxist left….- “we” are growing rapidly and are taking advantage of
> opportunities. IMHO “We” includes much more than the old codgers who
> graduated from the New Left of the 1960’s: “We” includes the new generation
> of the left that is just coming to grips with the struggle.
>
>
>
> “Rather than “Cheers”, I have to say, CHEER UP MARK, better days are
> coming.”
>
> Anthony
>



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