[Marxism] To combat left anti-semitism, Corbynism must change the way it sees the world

A.R. G amithrgupta at gmail.com
Thu Mar 29 06:54:25 MDT 2018


" Gupta is totally wrong on the term "Zio,"  Klansman David Duke coined it
back in the 1990s as an anti-Semitic slur, and it was used that way by the
leaders of the Chicago Dyke March last year against a trans Jewish
reporter, Gretchen Rachel Hammond, who reported honestly about the
anti-Semitic maneuverings of the March organizers.  Knowing that, Amith, if
you are still using the term, then yes, you are an anti-Semite.  I say that
as part of the BDS movement who is proud that its leaders expelled
anti-Semites from its ranks back in 2012."

"Zio" is a quote from Tony Greenstein. Linking it to David Duke is
shameless guilt by association and proves Greenstein's point (that you are
allowing actual racists to commandeer the discourse around Palestine).

Either way, based on your batshit accusations of anti-Semitism against the
Palestine solidarity movement, your willingness to believe things that I
know from personal knowledge to be lies about Palestinian refugees, your
failure to even check who you are speaking about when you read quotes on
this list-serv, and the racist comments you have made about credibility
being derived from race on this forum, and your willingness to make
"Zionism" compatible with boycotts of Israel, I do not take anything you
say about anti-Semitism seriously and think you should stop identifying
with the BDS Movement given your racist and contradictory politics.

Amith R. Gupta



On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:38 PM, Sheldon Ranz via Marxism <
marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> Ockerman's painting depicted six capitalist figures: two Rockefellers, JP
> Morgan, Crowley, Rothschild and Warburg.  It's absurd to blame Corbyn for
> not having seen it as anti-Semitic.  To do that requires one to be a
> specialist in the field, and that was something he never claimed to be.
>
> Gupta is totally wrong on the term "Zio,"  Klansman David Duke coined it
> back in the 1990s as an anti-Semitic slur, and it was used that way by the
> leaders of the Chicago Dyke March last year against a trans Jewish
> reporter, Gretchen Rachel Hammond, who reported honestly about the
> anti-Semitic maneuverings of the March organizers.  Knowing that, Amith, if
> you are still using the term, then yes, you are an anti-Semite.  I say that
> as part of the BDS movement who is proud that its leaders expelled
> anti-Semites from its ranks back in 2012.
>
> --> Sheldon
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> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Jeff via Marxism <
> marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
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> > On 2018-03-28 18:40, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:
> >
> > https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/03/combat-left
> >> -anti-semitism-corbynism-must-change-way-it-sees-world
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> >
> > I think the article that started this discussion is rather crumby and
> > won't address it. It focuses on Corbyn who I do not believe is
> antisemitic
> > nor is antisemitism in the labor party an important actual issue. I have
> no
> > doubt that the charge of antisemitism is just being used to attack the
> left
> > wing of that party as it is routinely used against supporters of
> Palestine
> > thus including (essentially) the entire far left. A party as large and
> > diverse as the British Labor party is bound to have individuals with
> > antisemitic (among other evil) views, and not being a member or even
> living
> > in Britain I would have to trust them to do their own housecleaning in
> > these regards. If Corbyn made a mistake (it couldn't have been any more
> > than that) then he can and should address his error and move on. And the
> > proposition in the article, which I've heard before from some of the
> > "anti-Deutsch" (pro-zionist leftists, especially in Germany), that
> > antisemitism is "not racism" but something unique, is a despicable way of
> > separating anti-racist struggles from each other and privileging one
> > particular minority which does not (at least in Britain) face significant
> > oppression.
> >
> > Having said that, however, I don't think we can just ignore the issue.
> > Because there are really two potential problems: 1) Actual antisemitism
> > within the left; and 2) The perception of antisemitism by the left. I
> don't
> > think that (1) is a widespread problem and I expect every left group to
> > keep it that way. However the perception of antisemitism is clearly
> hurtful
> > to the left. NOT because it will drive Jews away from the left, since
> > left-wing Jews understand as well as anyone why these spurious charges
> are
> > so frequently heard from our enemies (and sometimes parroted within the
> > left). But because any form of racism is so opposite our values and the
> > message that we are trying to convey, so that if one form of racism is
> > tolerated or excused then one would conclude that we have no principles
> and
> > might equally find other racist ideas acceptable. More specifically, if
> our
> > opposition to Israel is seen as a result of antisemitism (as is
> frequently
> > charged) or if antisemitic ideas are seen as legitimate (or excusable) in
> > the fight for Palestinian self-determination, then the left may suffer
> > greatly due to that perception alone.
> >
> > It isn't our fault, but it is our problem. I think that what has changed
> > since, say, 20 years ago, is the rise of the alt-right (and such forces)
> in
> > conjunction with the red-brown alliance. When leftists engage in
> conspiracy
> > theories (which they have to in order to justify their awful positions on
> > Syria, for instance!) and these are the same conspiracy theories advanced
> > by the far right, then we ALL become identified with the sort of thinking
> > which includes antisemitism among other ideologies that have nothing to
> do
> > with the left or our values. A case in point is our insisting --
> correctly!
> > -- that "anti-Zionism is not antisemitism." As we've been arguing for a
> > long time, we're against Zionism because it oppresses the Palestinians
> and
> > we call for solutions that end the oppression of Palestine and these
> would
> > also be in the interest of Jews living in that region (except for the
> class
> > enemy among them, of course). Unfortunately the success of our campaigns
> in
> > that regard gave a brilliant idea to the far right: instead of expressing
> > their hate for Jews, just say that they are "pro-Palestinian"! Of course
> > these white racists have always seen Arabs in the same light as other
> > people of color (and routinely oppose their immigration to Europe), but
> are
> > smart enough to shut up about that while taking up OUR slogans against
> > Israel for the WRONG REASONS. It isn't our fault that they are doing
> that,
> > but IT IS OUR PROBLEM.
> >
> > I'll end there and hope that this point leads to further discussion on
> > solutions to the problem I have identified, which I do see as crucial.
> >
> > - Jeff
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