[Marxism] Bernie's last dance with the Dems

John Reimann 1999wildcat at gmail.com
Sun Feb 2 19:21:09 MST 2020


As far as the NYT article and Maduro:

In the first place, the economic collapse started well before the US
blockade. In the second place, the article shows the luxurious lifestyle of
the Bolibourgeoisie that is encouraged by the economic policies of Maduro.
Of course, it only shows part of those policies, not the wage cuts that
Maduro is responsible for. True, the article doesn't show Maduro for the
authoritarian that he is, but when you have such luxury amidst massive
poverty, and when you have massive government corruption as well as
economic policies that help drive both the poverty as well as the wealth of
the bolibourgeoisie, you would have to have authoritarianism.

As far as opposing the US blockade - of course I oppose it, but my comment
was in response to what Kavanagh wrote, and his view is the common one on
the left - blind support for Maduro. We should contrast that approach to
that of Trotsky, who always opposed capitalist intervention into the Soviet
Union but didn't allow that opposition to stop him for one moment in
condemning the Stalinist bureaucracy. Unfortunately, all too much of the
left has abandoned that approach, and capitalism has not even been
overthrown in Venezuela! Instead, what we see is a repetition of the
approach of the supporters of Stalin - blind denial of what is really
happening in Venezuela.

John Reimann
On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 3:59 PM Chris Slee <chris_w_slee at hotmail.com> wrote:

> The New York Times article does not show that Maduro is a dictator.  What
> it shows is that the ruthless US economic blockade has been effective.  It
> has forced Maduro to make concessions to the capitalist class.
>
> Whether it has totally destroyed the revolution is less clear.  For a
> different view, see:
>
>
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/29/venezuela-january-2020-hardship-and-resistance/
>
>
> For socialists in the US and its allies such as Australia, our main
> emphasis should be on opposing the blockade rather than denouncing Maduro.
>
> Chris Slee
>
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> Just because somebody says something doesn't make it so.
>
> Sanders is denounced for calling Maduro a dictator? Well, yes, he actually
> is a dictator and who is benefiting from it is made clear in this NYT
> article that I've been trying to post. (I'm guessing it's too long.)
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/americas/Venezuela-economy-dollars.html?fbclid=IwAR2ci-gIEQ9gmhqaaHmMW2gVni8UL-TFOgs4gNKCh9xgweF9bT-8WJ9ejBk
> It's the bolibourgeoisie, which is living it up now that dollars are
> allowed to be repatriated and the Venezuelan economy has been officially
> dolarized.
>
> The "phony Russiagate narrative"? Yes, Russia/Putin did actually intervene
> in the 2016 elections. Did their intervention cause the Democrats to lose?
> Of course not in and of itself, but according to the book "House of Trump
> House of Putin" it influenced something like 3% of the vote - possibly
> enough to swing the vote in several key states.
>
> The author writes: "Similar principled differences can be seen in programs
> like free tuition, and cancellation of medical and student debt."
> Differences over a reform program doesn't make those principled just
> because Kavanagh says they are.
>
> Sanders a "social democrat"? Social democracy developed as a wing of the
> working class movement. For all its faults and outright betrayals, at least
> it is based on the working class having its own party. In contrast, there
> is a wing of capitalist politics that advocates granting some reforms to
> the working class in order to help contain the class conflict. That wing
> was known as "liberalism", a term that came under disfavor in the late '70s
> and rebranded itself as "progressive". Since the collapse of the Soviet
> Union and Stalinism, it's now being rebranded as "democratic socialist".
> Just because Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist doesn't make him
> a socialist of any sort. Nor does Kavanagh's repeating the claim make it
> so.
>
> I looked up some of Kavanagh's other scribblings, such as one which calls
> Soleimani a "respected general". Kavanagh should try asking the Syrians
> about that one. He also seems to have few criticisms of this century's
> worst tyrant - Assad.
>
> Oh, yes, and one last thing: Calling somebody by their first name normally
> implies having some sort of personal connection with them. Sanders lives in
> part off of his kindly old uncle image, of which being known as "Bernie" is
> an important part. But just because Kavanagh falls into that lingo doesn't
> make it so. My guess is that he's never met Sanders, never will meet him,
> and Sanders won't be over at Kavanagh's table for this year's Thanksgiving
> family dinner.
>
> John Reimann
>
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